ENV Module - Envelope Presets

[BrettSaberhagen]

Description of feature (short and simple):

Request functionality to enable the saving of Envelope presets.

How will this feature improve the workflow or experience for all SSP users (keep it short and focused):

It would be great to have the ability to save envelopes that you have constructed inside the ENV module into presets that you could browse and recall (load) for future use and sharing. This would save a lot of time and expedite the construction of multi-module patches. Speed & Efficiency and wrist fatigue…

[2disbetter]

Great feature suggestion! Noted!

[bert]

Request functionality to enable the saving of Envelope presets.

There has been the suggestion elsewhere in the forum to be able to save part of a patch as a new file which could then be recalled and inserted into a patch you are editing.

So if you have that feature, then you could save one envelope with your favourite settings as a new file and recall that and insert it (instead of choosing an ENV from the module picker)?

[BrettSaberhagen]

I was just thinking of saving the actual ADSR parameters of the ENV by themselves so that you could easily start saving all of your envelopes as you create them to a folder on the Percussa where you could then navigate to another ENV envelope and browse then load up a saved ADSR envelope from your collection. This saves time and wrist & button fatigue when faced with editing a multi-voice patch where you want to either use the exact same envelope already in use by your first ENV module in your patch and/or want to start from an ADSR envelope that you have stored previously so don’t have to start from scratch (again).
Having a little ADSR readout available to reference would be great as well while you’re scrolling through your collection of envelopes so you don’t just see an endless readout of envelope1, envelope2,envelope3,envelope4,etc…

[tiger001]

excuse me for the dumb question but if you have e.g. multiple oscilators that are in need of multiple ENV why don’t you connect all the OSC to one ENV so they share the same ENV settings?

[BrettSaberhagen]

xcuse me for the dumb question but if you have e.g. multiple oscilators that are in need of multiple ENV why don’t you connect all the OSC to one ENV so they share the same ENV settings?

Definitely not a dumb question! But maybe you’re assuming that I want all of my oscillators to have the exact same envelope (ADSR) settings… which I don’t.

[bert]

I was just thinking of saving the actual ADSR parameters of the ENV by themselves so that you could easily start saving all of your envelopes as you create them to a folder on the Percussa where you could then navigate to another ENV envelope and browse then load up a saved ADSR envelope from your collection.

this is a nice idea but something more for the longer term. We do have the copy-paste function now in the grid which sort of helps you with this, although I know it’s not the same thing.

[BrettSaberhagen]

We do have the copy-paste function now in the grid which sort of helps you with this, although I know it’s not the same thing.

The new COPY feature is awesome and really speeds up the construction of multi-module patches, especially multi wave oscillator synths! Once I have my foundation modules set with the parameters that I like it’s now very easy to make multiple copies of them and then tweak them individually from there. Thanks!

[kittyspit]

would also like to see a re-trig function so that the envelope will retrig every key press. this could be very useful to me

[bert]

would also like to see a re-trig function so that the envelope will retrig every key press. this could be very useful to me

when you insert an envelope it’s normally in loop mode. you can turn this off, and then you can trigger the envelope with a gate. if you are using the midi module with it, feed the gate output of the midi module into the gate input of the envelope.

[kittyspit]

yes i understand that. im saying that with retrig the env will start at 0 everytime a key press or gate is present. cause right now the env will just continue where it left off if it hasnt finished its cycle. i want it to start at 0 everytime i press a key

[Dark_Barn]

If 0v retrigger is added I’d prefer the current behavior be kept as an option. It sounds more musical to me in most use cases. I agree that for some things it can be nice to reset to 0, if you are using the ADSR as a modulation source for things not related to amplitude, for example.

[kittyspit]

i’m saying it should be a feature not a default setting. You can have the feature set to a button to turn it off and on

[bert]

yes i understand that. im saying that with retrig the env will start at 0 everytime a key press or gate is present. cause right now the env will just continue where it left off if it hasnt finished its cycle. i want it to start at 0 everytime i press a key

what you describe is incorrect. This is how the envelope works:

the envelope will restart from 0, assuming the signal you feed into its gate input crosses a threshold (i.e. goes from 0 to max amplitude on the input scope).

you have to turn off LOOP, otherwise the envelope will simply loop. and you have to turn HOLD on or off, depending on the behaviour you want:

if HOLD is on, the envelope will wait for your gate signal to go low before it enters the release stage. If HOLD is off, then the envelope will not wait and will go into the release stage as soon as the time in the sustain stage has elapsed.

so if you want to retrigger your envelope and you don’t want the sustain behaviour, you set LOOP and HOLD to off, and you apply a gate signal to the gate input which goes from 0 to max amplitude (it should already trigger when the gate crosses 25% of max amplitude).

[bert]

I agree that for some things it can be nice to reset to 0, if you are using the ADSR as a modulation source for things not related to amplitude, for example.

the envelope resets to 0, if you trigger it with a gate signal and LOOP is off.

[Dark_Barn]

Well then the behavior I describe should be added as an option!

[2disbetter]

It could be that your gate is also not exceeding the threshold needed to signal a retrigger. I know when I use envolopes, they will retrigger as fast as I can fire a gate at them. But most likely as Bert suggested it is because you have LOOP set to on.

[kittyspit]

what you’re saying is actually incorrect. the sustain stage should be the “hold” in a tyical analog envelope. if the sustain is set to full then the envelope will hold at full value until the key is released, & of course the sustain will drop to its value set otherwise from the decay stage yes. but the env continues from where it is at that moment if a gate is applied before it finishes its cycle. it never retrigs from 0 if its still in its half way point, trust me.

[kittyspit]

at least in my testing here at the shop & at home, the env does not retrig to 0. it will continue where it is when another gate is applied. & no, i dont have loop on.

[bert]

at least in my testing here at the shop & at home, the env does not retrig to 0. it will continue where it is when another gate is applied. & no, i dont have loop on.

so I checked the code and the level isn’t reset when the envelope goes back into the attack phase, so maybe it’s a good idea to have a toggle setting to switch this on or off.

I’ll see when I can get to this, as we’re busy rolling out the multichannel USB update.